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anyone out there working on variations of copyleft-ish licenses that include provisions for machine learning models trained on the content in question? (i'd personally like to have, e.g., MIT and CC-BY licenses that include a clause like "any model trained on this must also include the attribution")

@xuv interesting! yeah this is totally relevant. but i think there's still a need for a license for individual works (since e.g. my blog posts might end up in whatever database)

Are there any ideas out there on what lever one could use to restrict what the machines may train on? The going legal theory seems to be that copyright isn't it and the model is not a derivative, so any license is ineffective.

@clacke (I think it's important to phrase this differently—the "machines" don't "train on" anything. people train models on particular data for particular purposes.) the "going legal theory" that models aren't derivative is obvious nonsense in my mind... the idea behind a license that explicitly requires attribution on trained models would be to change the practice of exploiting labor in this way through public shaming & at least a vague threat of legal action

@aparrish Is there any reason you can't add an extra clause to the MIT/BSD license with that requirement? Those licenses are pretty easily extensible

@aparrish (I'm a bit confused because the examples you gave aren't generally considered copyleft, or at least wouldn't be by the FSF)

@n yeah I'm using "copyleft-ish" in a sorta umbrella way (probably inappropriately), not sure how to encompass everything I want to encompass otherwise

@n of course I *could*, but I'm wondering if people are already working on the problem of wording, publicity, legality, etc.

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