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thinkin about web3 discourse 

nearly every article in the popular press I've read about "web3" uncritically discusses "web 2.0" as though it's a historical/technical term (and not, as is actually the case, a marketing gimmick), and then contrasts it with "web 1.0" as though THAT refers to something and isn't just a back-formation demanded by the concept of "web 2.0." and "web3" is presented as the natural (if controversial) successor to these. simply by virtue of its number following in sequence?

well... uh... i'm making web 'finity plus one. so there

thinkin about web3 discourse 

@aparrish yeah it's depressing how many people I've heard explaining web3 as "web 1 was X, and web 2 was Y, so web 3 is going to be Z", which is just absolute banana logic

thinkin about web3 discourse 

@mewo2 I've even read some stuff claiming that "web 2.0" was *about* centralization (not that centralization was among its affordances, but that centralization was specifically a design goal of web 2.0), I guess in order to emphasize how obvious it is that web3 should—as a natural next step—be "decentralized"

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@aparrish y'see web 1 was a thesis, right? and web 2.0, that's your antithesis. so web3...that's synthesis babey

thinkin about web3 discourse 

@aparrish @mewo2 the real sleight of hand is that public blockchains are actually *centralized* data structures.

thinkin about web3 discourse 

@aparrish I have no idea of the content of any of these designations, but there does seem to be a natural law that as the numbers increase things get worse.

thinkin about web3 discourse 

@aparrish Btw, you know about the whole 2.0 and O'Reilly?

It's pretty telling how he's shaped our discourse so much without most of us realising it.

https://thebaffler.com/salvos/the-meme-hustler

thinkin about web3 discourse 

@aparrish Significant rewrites should have a different package name. Python2 to 3 would have benefited from that. The web is the same. It should be web, dynamicWeb, and dappWeb or something like that since they all interplay with each other. :)

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@dmoonfire the point is that "web 1.0" and "web 2.0" and "web3" aren't distinct and mutually exclusive things that belong to a closed category—they're terms applied retroactively (or prospectively) to clusters of practices. using the appearance of software versioning is a *rhetorical* move here (to convince you that "web 2.0" supercedes whatever preceded it, and "web3" supercedes that)—it's not a technical distinction

thinkin about web3 discourse 

@aparrish I'm pretty sure I was trying to say I agreed, but poorly communicated that. I apologize.

thinkin about web3 discourse 

@dmoonfire I didn't mean to imply that you should apologize—I just wanted to emphasize that making it SEEM like "web3" is the third and latest release of a software package is exactly the (inaccurate) mental model that the coiners of the term want you to have

thinkin about web3 discourse 

@aparrish @dmoonfire meanwhile there's an *actual* web 3.0 created by Tim Berners-Lee that everyone seems to forget

thinkin about web3 discourse 

@aparrish I think some of the web3 moniker is the hope it will replace the previous versions entirely, which I always felt was the same hopes as the python 2/3 and angular communities did. The latter two cases, there never really was a complete transition which is why we have python2 and python3.

... and probably why they should have a different label because it won't (and can't) replace the previous versions.

Not sure how much of it is manipulation verses hope.

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@aparrish It's also an argument that protocols and technologies should be treated as composites instead of inheritance. :)

Like HTML5 is actually a composite of a bunch of other, non-HTML-named standards.

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@dmoonfire @aparrish This is blowing up on my timeline, so I’d imagine you’ve seen it: Web3 is a fraud

thinkin about web3 discourse 

@aparrish we need to know whether 5G can carry Web3

@aparrish I do not know with what technologies Web 3 will be built, but Web 4 will be built with sticks and stones.

@annika @aparrish sticks made of real once-living plant material if we're lucky

thinkin about web3 discourse 

@aparrish pretty sure the developers of Ethereum had to come up with a name for their API so decided on web3 because that was an easy choice. then no one challenged it, or not strong enough for them to change the name everywhere 😆 it's not like it was a grand scheme, although they were being aspirational. developers gotta name stuff somethin'.

thinkin about web3 discourse 

@theruran @aparrish In perfect video game naming convention, I will build something called Web Zero Alpha Plus Redux Ultimate Edition, and nobody will bat an eye.

thinkin about web3 discourse 

@aparrish just the latest buzzword on the cryptocurrency hype treadmill. they have to keep reinventing it because people eventually realise that it's just bullshit snake oil

thinkin about web3 discourse 

@aparrish is this like how, once we acceded to "cloud", we were naturally doomed to "serverless"?

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@aparrish I'll stick with Web XP as long as there is support for it. I hated switching from Web NT but now I just love the look of it.

I never got the hang of the Web 1/2/3.0 series. Maybe I'll switch over once they take up a similar pace to the versioning of web browsers.

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@aparrish "Power perceived is power achieved."

thinkin about web3 discourse 

@aparrish the number represents the distance moved from ”by the users, for the users” towards ”by the money, for the money”

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@aparrish they'll just tell anything, i've seen one of these people describe "web 1.0" as a military project that gave us e-mail.

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@aparrish it is some weird manifestation stuff. Like if folk say it often enough, it will come to be.

It's so tiring.

thinkin about web3 discourse 

@aparrish you hit upon the only real innovation "web3" has made: the creation of an overarching marketing gimmick for the entire tech industry. three is a pattern. tech is an endlessly rising sequence of numbers now to that promises endless waves of "innovation" and wealth for investors. oil drillers can't say they'll always find new oil, but the tech industry has convinced everyone that they're free of such problematic entropy with this "pattern." it's quite a con.

@aparrish @aparrish I think the terms "Web 1.0" and "2.0" show a very reductionist, finance-driven and SV-centric view of the Internet.

"Web 1.0" was the late 90s tech boom and ended with the dot-com crash.

"Web 2.0" was the rise of social media and rapid increase in market cap of the FAANG companies, "unicorns", etc.

Some people *very badly* want to see a v3 where the more-money-than-sense tap gets turned back on again.

The technology and social curves have always been smooth/gradual.

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