I wrote a thing about why I believe the best and most useful decentralized applications are going to be the ones that utilize multiple protocols. I imagine a world where ActivityPub, Dat, and Secure ScuttleButt are all seen as tools in a toolbox rather than as ecosystems, and what kind of amazing software we could build with them outside of the central/corporate paradigm.

Like it. Use network protocols like *nix uses different commands. Get the job done.

@darius I really love this sentiment, and it makes sense from a practical point of view as well.

For example, I ran into an issue using git-ssb where I had no real place to share releases in a decentralized way for the ssb users who I was sending it out to. I ended up using webtorrent and considered doing it over DAT but wasn't ready to dive into that stack yet and seemed like a bit of a "betrayal" of the ecosystem as some people see them as competing ecosystems.

@darius I like this a lot! I still worry that peer-to-peer/federated/otherwise decentralized systems don't have good enough paradigms (or we haven't figured them out yet) to deal with "bad behavior". And maybe (probably!) that's mostly a problem of shifting social norms rather than building rules into software, but the software still has to support mechanisms by which the social norms can be enforced by admins or collectively by users.

@darius I am pretty new to a lot of de-centralized internet. However as someone who was heavy into the World Wide Web in its earlier incarnations I am excited about the prospect of much of this.

Decentralized networks feel like what the internet should have been and what the promise was back in the start. I hope we can make more progress to making these projects more mainstream and viable as a replacement for more people.

Thanks for introducing me to some new projects I was not aware of :)

what about mixing ActivityPub with cjdns or Yggdrasil?

@darius Last paragraph really echoes the Unix philosophy; Write stuff that does little, but can be piped together to do great things. :blobmiou:

(And put them in a script nobody would touch for a while :blobcatcoffee: )

Yes. I'm pretty sure this, or something close to it, is going to happen. P2P URLs for media is almost a given. Hand off from ActivityPub messaging to SSB or some other protocol is less certain, but probably prudent.

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