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I say this sincerely, and as someone who appreciates and develops open source software: one advantage to making your social media platform closed source is that it's not immediately overrun with people posting about free open source software.

It honestly might be a better move to start closed source, grow your user base, and *then* make it open source so the FLOSS nerds you attract can't overwhelm the platform

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@darius

me joining the fediverse: i'm into foss

me two years later: i'm not _that_ into foss

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@darius That’s a pretty interesting take actually.

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@darius wow yeah this feels entirely true

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@darius It’s a real problem with FLOSS spaces. Likewise, a big problem I’ve seen with Mastodon evangelism early on was that it took more of the “why aren’t you using Linux yet, you should switch immediately and give up Windows” flavour instead of “here’s a nice website where you can talk with people” kind.

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@misty yeah pretty much my entire federated social media evangelism has been trying to do the latter (to some success, I think)

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@darius I am being called out here but you aren't wrong.

@darius idea: an open source license that explicitly forbids people from using the software to talk about open source software

@schratze @darius putting the "code" back into "code of silence"

@darius never effing looked at this way but it's so true

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@darius something something you just haven't found the right FOSS so try mine something something

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@darius I’ve long talked about the ratio of posts on a platform that are *about* that platform, and how it differs by platform and over time. I hadn’t considered FOSS status as a factor, but that feels like a strong correlation, instinctively. I’d love a Grand Unified Theory of meta-navel-gazing to explain why, say, SSB’s ratio remains worse than Hometown’s has *ever* been.

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@darius that's hilarious and a good point

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@darius If you're going for mainstream appeal, yeah probably. I have a hard time finding good discussions with FOSS nerds though, so Mastodon's great for that...

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@darius the Project vs Solution problem. F(L)OSS tends to be a Project, most users just want a Solution.

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@darius Lol yeah, I used to joke with my friends that Mastodon is a social network to talk about how much you hate twitter and discuss federated social networks.

Not that it isn't a cool thing to talk about, but... can't be the only thing.

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@darius nope, I don't see it.

Your timeline is your own responsibility and you're making a point that you started following too many FLOSS people? C'mon, there are all kinds of people on the Fedi. I can tell because I keep mine _very_ mixed.

Heck, some even use Windows :P

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@bekopharm @darius i think the issue is that near everyone here is from the same bg and it not only limits interaction but prevents newer users from signing up because its seen as a developer network.

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@darius I think this has more to do with how Mastodon advertised itself as decentralized, free and privacy-respecting, first and foremost.

If Mastodon advertised itself as a space where feminist and queer communities are thriving with CW and filters and better protections against harrasment, then it would be very different.

Obviously Gargron would need to take marginalized communities needs into account for real then, which isn’t gonna happen soon.

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@darius I need to resign as a lemmy admin and this isn't Not why 🙈

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@darius That’s funny but I don’t see it to work this way.
Why would non-tech people want to try out a new social network no one is using at the start (besides from the other fediverse server instances)? Mastodon’s promise was to be a decentralized, FLOSS, non-commercial Twitter alternative. And this promise was what got it attention from other devs contributing and making it better. Normal people wouldn’t want to suffer from massive bugs or missing core features without a philosophy.

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@darius For normal people, you need a pretty-far-finished product. FLOSS people will support a buggy mess if it fits their philosophy.

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@darius toot about bootstraping and founder effect sociology.

But for some reason attacks people, instead of ideas. Preferring radical exclusion of a marginalised group, to you know, not.

Hard nope.

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@darius Funny but I just see a possible discord kind of situation where cohost devs are like "yeah we're nice" and year later they're.. well, not.

The open source part gives me the guarantee that even if things go bad, someone else can try again..

If cohost pulls it through and make a good place, then good for them I suppose. I'll believe it when i see it. Been burned way too many times.

@darius I understand why you’d get this impression but this is a weak generalization from a very subjective and partial view of the network. The Fediverse isn’t “overwhelmed” by FLOSS nerds. Your own corner of it may be, but making a social platform closed source first is a false solution to a non-problem.
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